thanks Yardy I am really sick now, last night I decided not to eat ox-tail anymore. That was the only red meat that I use to eat. It would really be hard to do the veggie thing. My sister who is asthmatic went Ital 20 years ago as has not had an attack since. So I have first hand knowledge of the Ital thing. I don't know if I could do it tho' it would really be a test for me and I hate to start things that I know that I will fail so for now I eat and pray. So did you have the tofurkey for thanksgiving?