Let me explain. What I find interesting, is that an assesment of the PNP cannot be undertaken in isolation without popping ES in the equation after a few sentences. Who asked why they were still in power? You did, not I sir. On the other hand we are prepared to run for miles with the discussions of the JLP standing on a platform by itself. That was my point. So what happens, when an assesment of the PNP is brought up? Uncle is factored in. I am not bugged by that at all. I am in fact amused, hence my response to your post.